User talk:Kghbln/archive 2

Pre-defined message on talk page
You might have a look at Extension:PageNotice it could prove helpful to set up a message on every talk page before their are created and avoiding people sending bug reports on those pages. --MWJames 16:46, 20 November 2011 (CET)


 * Hi MWJames, I was not aware of this extension. The biggest obstacle is that it does not seem to fit into the multilingual environment of this wiki. Hmm ... Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 13:15, 21 November 2011 (CET)

Is it possible to enable the edit link for the first paragraph?
Is it possible to enable the [edit] link to edit only the first paragraph in a SMW page like in Wikipedia? If so, that would be convenient. Thanks. --Linforest 11:36, 28 February 2012 (CET)


 * No, currently not, since the required extension Gadgets is not installed. --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 13:06, 28 February 2012 (CET)


 * That's OK! I see. Cheers!  --Linforest 13:42, 28 February 2012 (CET)

SIO vs subobjects
I just had some time to start building a reference table which allows you to compare the use of SIO to that of subobjects and to weigh their pros and cons. See my user page User:Cavila. Maybe such a thing could be added to the documentation, but first, can you tell if it's at all accurate? Cavila 15:07, 3 May 2012 (CEST)


 * Heiya Cavila, this is a very good idea. I must admit that I did not have a deep look at the #subobject parser function so far. This is a good opportunity for me to get it right too. I will also ask a developer to have a look at your proposed comparison. Just tell me when you think you are ready. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 17:20, 4 May 2012 (CEST)

Bugzilla and old requests
Hi Karsten, I just went over some old bugzilla reports (and closed them) that where either related to SMW 1.5 or to some kind of exhibit functionality. I think it would nice to clean up bugzilla as well since it is unlikely that requests older than year, relating to pre SMW 1.6 or exhibit functionality will get any attention in near future. Other requests which haven't seen any activity in the last six month it seems valuable to check if SMW/MW/SRF version (most of them missing fundamentals to make a diagnosis possible) has been reported. Maybe you could ask some of the other admins to help before 1.8 get's released. Thanks --MWJames 04:24, 5 June 2012 (CEST)


 * Hi James, again a very good idea. I myself tend to come back to my issues and update my reports in case it still persists for the current stable. I am sure you do the same. So we have to go though the rest. I will ask Saruman for help. I myself would not close feature requests, even if they are old. There we should rather check if they are still feasible in the light of current SMW versions. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 23:09, 5 June 2012 (CEST)


 * The other thing that I did recognized was that for examples some bugzilla requests such as 29683 can be solved through one of the roadmaps points (Roadmap). Since their is a roadmap maybe it would be good to track them by creating a bugzilla request for each roadmap point (doesn't matter when their are scheduled) and all bugzilla reports that somehow belong to such a roadmap point can be tracked and bundled at ones when such feature is implemented. (an example can be found for request 37361)


 * Yes, doing this may be an option. However, I am not sure if the developers, mainly Markus and Jeroen would like to have it this way. My impression is that they would rather have proposals for enhancements etc. on this wiki and use bugzilla just for bugs. Currently it is a melange of here and/or there when it comes to enhancements. Perhaps some kind of proposal tracker on this wiki would be an idea. I guess this would be more flexible to handle (including discussions) than bugzilla itself. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 01:42, 7 June 2012 (CEST)

Form:Result format‎
Hi Karsten, I took the liberty the create Form:Result format‎ and assign it to the Result format category, please adjust at your discretion. Form:Result format‎ includes Docinfo as well but due to the display behaviour of Docinfo some display oddity occurs and it would be nice to resolve this issue in how such information is being displayed.

I started to realize that each language version uses its own copy of Template:Result format which in connection with the Form will not work very well. There are two solutions to this problem:
 * 1) all languages use only one template and use the notion  to retrieve the translation from the item to be displayed
 * 2) or instead of assigning the form (has default form) to the category (as it is right now) each Template:Result format sets the property (has default form) on its own to a form (this is the least preferred option since all templates within the same context will eventually become outdated overtime as main works continue on Template:Result format. Having redundancy is generally not best practice and as a website that promotes "how to use..." we should not foster bad practices.) --MWJames 06:35, 20 July 2012 (CEST)


 * I would like to keep the docinfo system separate from the rest of this wiki. Yes, using one template for all languages should be the preferable option but I guess that this will not be easy to achieve. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 10:12, 20 July 2012 (CEST) Edit: Second thoughts on this: I think it is better to move towards language segregation in the future, with only the docinfo system as a common ground for internationalisation efforts. I think this will make this wiki easier to handle rather than trying to merge things and make it more complex.

Snippets
Could you get [1] into the MediaWiki:Common.js Thanks --MWJames 23:45, 26 July 2012 (CEST)

[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Snippets/Hide_prefix_in_category


 * Done. :) --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 00:01, 27 July 2012 (CEST)

Common.css
Could you add .demo-center { display: inline-block; }

Thanks --MWJames (talk) 03:02, 1 August 2012 (CEST)


 * Done --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 10:25, 1 August 2012 (CEST)

Sorting Months in Вики месяца
Hi! Something is wrong with sort by month in Wiki of the month table. Try to click on sort button in the Month column - it sorts alphabetically. Can that be repaired by using the Date type for Property:Wiki_of_month_local? Yury Katkov 23:25, 8 January 2012 (CET)


 * Heiya Yury, I am still thinking of a good way to do it. As I created this I gave preference to translated months over sorting capabilities. This cannot be changed by changing the type because this wiki only understands English. Thus it is only working for the English table. Some sort of voodoo is needed to change this. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 11:30, 9 January 2012 (CET)
 * Hi again, kgh, i see that magic is not working :) But my question is - my today translations of Вики месяца are not included on page. Is that normal behaviour? :) Shibormot 18:24, 4 May 2012 (CEST)
 * Ok, i have corrected misstyping, and my edits appeared on page. As i suspected - it was cache Shibormot 18:37, 4 May 2012 (CEST)
 * Sometimes cache can be a pain. 8~) Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 21:15, 5 May 2012 (CEST)

Sidebar
Hi Karsten, Somehow the Code documentation got delete from the sidebar. Could you be so kind and fix this. Thanks --MWJames 16:27, 17 July 2012 (CEST)
 * Hi James, as soon as the documentation gets fixed I will reinsert the link. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 16:31, 17 July 2012 (CEST)
 * The next time the doxygen get's generated it would be nice to have the search field activated. --MWJames 16:36, 17 July 2012 (CEST)
 * I will pass your request to the administrators. Hopefully there will be a fix soon. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 16:44, 17 July 2012 (CEST)
 * As you will have recognised, the new and updated docs are up and running again. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 16:28, 19 October 2012 (CEST)

Flot timeseries chart vs. Jqplotseries format
Hi Karsten, I reverted your changes because Help:Timeseries chart and Help:Jqplotseries format are two totally different formats which each of them using a different JS library. The pages should be used as place holder since I don't really have the time to make all the fine tuning right now. --MWJames 03:57, 20 July 2012 (CEST)


 * Hi, another post I did not see until now. At that time all the format names appeard messy since they did not follow the existing scheme set for SMW/SRF/etc. I had no clue what to think of the existing page name. Sorted out by now, I guess. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 00:52, 2 August 2012 (CEST)

Images and licence
I know more admin stuff and I'm sorry for that but when I looked at the uploaded File:ParentVoice-exhibit.png, File:ParentVoice-browsedata.png, File:ParentVoiceLogo.png it brought my attention to the licence issue of these photos/screenshots. In general a person who uploads images should try to use Template:Image (see File:Srf-format-jqplotchart-line.png) to give it some description but more importantly describes the licence these images/drawings/picture/screenshots are used on this website otherwise that might become a problem some day. --MWJames 22:04, 27 July 2012 (CEST)


 * Yes, getting into fisticuffs with copyright owners is truly a thing we would like to avoid. I will make Desi awar of this an most importantly adjust the message shown on the upload page, to make sure that everyone knows. Thank you for pointing me to this. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 00:45, 28 July 2012 (CEST)

Demo:Portal
Just to keep you in the loop. Since earlier I was pushing for the Demo namespace I just created a general intro page Demo:Portal. Later I was thinking to have it more like d3js.org so users can see an image of what is available instead of just another "boring" explanation.

The gallery format in SRF 1.8 comes with a slideshow and fancybox overlay option which should "elevate" the whole image representation a bit which was also the reason why I earlier pointed towards the Template:Image because its sets has image collection as property in order to create gallery collections on a specific topic. --MWJames 00:05, 28 July 2012 (CEST)


 * I guess I like this loop. :) Nice to see that this is coming into place. Truly a nice enrichment for the "boring" stuff. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 00:48, 28 July 2012 (CEST)

SMW 1.8 pre-release info
Hi Karsten, it's me again but this time is about 1.8 pre-release info. If you look at recent changes, you will see that several pages are commented with 1.8 pre-release info where I just put the raw information I had at the time available, you might want to package them or .. I don't know ... just to let you know

Further, I think SMW/SRF 1.8 will be a release with a lot of features but unavoidable also introduce some new bugs therefore testing before the actual release would be of an advantage. It would be nice to have a sandbox with the latest available SMW/SRF repo (and can be updated fairly regulary) where power users like you can test and point direclty to the sandbox because for any developer that don't have direct access to an issue at hand fixing something just by having a description will inevitably drag the whole process. Anyway ... Cheers --MWJames 22:29, 29 July 2012 (CEST)


 * Heiya James, I will transform this into draft pages so that I/we can track them in the future. Thank you for noticing. When it comes to testing SMW 1.8 it will be possible to do so in the sandbox. As soon as the first RC comes available this wiki will be updated to have a common ground for testing. At least it was done like this in the past. I guess we will have several RCs this time. In case it does not get updated, please drop me a note for me to ask for having it done. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 02:44, 30 July 2012 (CEST)


 * Sounds good, and to keep the hula hoop rolling just added Help:Plug-ins. --MWJames 12:07, 30 July 2012 (CEST)

Result formats, images and slideshow
Have a loook at Help:Timeseries format where you can live how it can look like when images have their annotation (or just press the image), we can simple link them as collection and get them displayed as slideshow.

Which means before SWM 1.8 is released, it would be nice to have screen shots of various formats so their can be displayed as collection and a user knows what she/he is getting. --MWJames (talk) 01:00, 1 August 2012 (CEST)
 * Looks great. Perhaps a little indicator within the template, like it is done on template city would be nice. I would never have clicked on the pictures shown within the template without your extra hint here on this page. And yes, examples are always good. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 10:46, 1 August 2012 (CEST) PS: Talking about template City. The upgrade causes some kind of error. See London. It would be cool if you had a look at it.


 * It would be nice if you could find some additional (free) city pictures to some of the cities, so I could change them using the gallery slideshow. --MWJames (talk) 01:25, 1 August 2012 (CEST)
 * I think for most of the cities we already have a picture. See here for the ones available. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 10:46, 1 August 2012 (CEST)


 * Category:City images got fixed. Further I updated Demo:Berlin which shows its image properties are derived from the source (the image itself) and since I could only find Berlin with more than one images its the only one with a slideshow. --MWJames (talk)


 * Since I thought having a template to display a zoom indicator was a bit overkill, I decided to make into the standard where change will show a small icon at the west-north corner of the thumb that the overlay is active. --MWJames (talk)


 * I start to repeat myself: Great! Thank you for fixing the category. There is still on with template city. Perhaps this might be a bug. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 20:14, 1 August 2012 (CEST)

Common.css
Hi Karsten,

Could you update Common.css with .demo-float-right { float:right; margin-left:10px; margin-bottom:10px; clear:both; }

.demo-float-left { margin-left:0px; margin-right:10px; float:left; clear:both; } --MWJames (talk)
 * Done. --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 16:10, 7 August 2012 (CEST)

Examples / Best practices
Hi Karsten,

Examples ▸ Demo:Jqplotchart, Demo:Jqplotseries, Demo:Gallery are up and running and I hope we can clean the gallery format page because this page is a mess.

Best practices ▸ Demo:Bibliographic records is up and running

Cheers, --MWJames (talk) 21:51, 7 August 2012 (CEST)


 * Hi James, I see that we/you are getting somewhere on this wiki. :) It's a great effort your are making here and it surely makes a difference. Indeed some format pages have to be tidied now that the demo pages are up and running. Afterwards I can also start translation them. I was very reluctant to do so lately. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 01:05, 8 August 2012 (CEST)


 * Well, I did some rework on Help:Jqplotseries format, and Help:D3 chart format which are now mostly query based where relevant information is a collection of sourced references. Examples and best practices are moved to their respective demo pages. Pages with the same visualization type also display cross-references to other pages with the same type. --MWJames (talk) 00:54, 9 August 2012 (CEST)


 * Great, thank you for your work. Just a little note on my status changes of the two pages. I put the status back to draft for two reasons: SRF 1.8.0 has not been released and the documentation is not at 100 % by now. Thus the visitors will be able to see that these are still formats to happyly look forward too. --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 01:05, 9 August 2012 (CEST)

Give a talk on SMWCon
Hi! Do you want to give a talk with me about fighting spam in wiki? If so, remove the question mark here; if not - remove your name! Yury Katkov (talk) 00:04, 10 August 2012 (CEST)


 * Heiya, why not? Actually most of the work was already done by you on semweb. :) However, I am not definitely sure if I will be there on the tutorial day. Decision is due to be made in about a fortnight. Early enough? Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 23:41, 10 August 2012 (CEST)


 * Sure thing! Yury Katkov (talk) 04:59, 11 August 2012 (CEST)


 * I will not be able to make it to the tutorial day. :( --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 20:34, 20 August 2012 (CEST)

I got a new toy!
Which you might also like to play with :) User:Jeroen De Dauw/gitweb

--Jeroen De Dauw (talk) 18:26, 12 August 2012 (CEST)


 * Hey, great! I commented on the talk page. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; (talk) 23:03, 13 August 2012 (CEST)