Talk:Semantic MediaWiki concepts

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IRC discussion on the core aim of the page
18:52 < Yaron> Anyway - can you explain the reasoning behind the page? The main thing I don't understand is whether the page is supposed to be about the semantic web, or about SMW. 18:52 < Yaron> The two have different terminologies, and different data structures, obviously. 18:52 about SMW 18:53 < Yaron> Okay - in that case, I think the inclusion of terms like "relations" is strange - that term is no longer used in SMW. 18:53 there is definately a point of confusion in the title, as 'concepts' are a part of SMW terminology that the page *is not* about. 18:53 Yaron: right, but I think there is an important distinction between page type properties and all the other property types 18:54 < Yaron> What's the difference? 18:54 this distinction is especially important when one tries to model ones data in SMW 18:54 < Yaron> I mean, I know there's a difference, but each property type is unique in one way or another. 18:54 Yaron: right. 18:55 ok, the difference, and this is why it's interesting, is todo with the way semantic web concepts are embodied in SMW 18:55 so in that sense, the page is about the semantic web as it applies to smw 18:56 I think your 'getting started' guide on the SF page is very useful (I used it in my tutorial), but underlying that are semantic web building blocks 18:57 if I have a property of type page on my wiki, it's                defining a classed relation between the page that uses the property and the redlink page (and its                (usually) associated class) 18:57 < Yaron> What do you mean by a "classed relation"? 18:58 i.e. we can expect such a red link to have an                associated form and category 18:58 formally I think I mean a property with a 'domain' 18:58 < Yaron> I think you mean a range. (?) 18:58 < Yaron> I mean, every property has a domain. 18:58 ok, domain or range, I'm hazy ;-) 18:59 < Yaron> ...but then again, enumerated string properties have a              range too... 19:00 heh... I never managed to fit enumerated string                 properties into my relationa database 'mapping' 18:59 for people approaching SMW from the knowledge                 engineering or Semantic Web perspective, these are                 useful concepts 19:00 and for scientific wikis, where there is usually a                 strong relational database background, these                 distinctions are useful 19:00 < Yaron> I don't know; I think my main issue is with how the               page alternates between semantic-web and SMW               terminology without clarifying which is which. 19:00 < Yaron> "classes" and "relations" are (I guess) semantic web               terms, while "property" is only used in SMW, I think. 19:00 Yaron: good point 19:01 we could certainly do with clarifying that point on                the page 19:03 < Yaron> But I think the basic issue is, it's not clear what the page is trying to be. 19:03 < Yaron> Once that's clarified, it would be much easier for people to improve it. 19:03 OK 19:04 < Yaron> Well, can you at least explain who the target audience is? 19:04 me 19:04 < Yaron> You're the target audience? :) 19:04 I'm one of them 19:04 writing helps me learn 19:05 < Yaron> Er... anyone else?

Summary

 * Who is the target audience of the page? It's good to clarify this issue, as it informs the aim of the page.
 * Clarify the aim of the page
 * Clarify the intersection between SMW and Semantic Web concepts being described here.