User talk:Kghbln/remarchive

Issues related to docinfo template

 * 1) Someone have to dig into the template code - it's not very cool to use the things we don't understand
 * 2) I'm not sure about some of the fields.
 * 3) The editor field is always set to REVISIONUSER - can it be omitted and be set automatically?
 * 4) Do we really need the author field? Maybe we can assume that the author is the guy who was the first editor?
 * 5) What about the priority field in translations? I think that translations should have the same priority as their master pages.
 * 6) We need better documentation for docinfo parameters: remember by question about author, editor and support?
 * 7) existing pages with missing on incorrect parameters in docinfo, like  master rev=  in translations.
 * 8) the above mentioned obsolete issue - I haven't started observing it yet.
 * 9) internationalization of all messages in docinfo
 * 10) delete the old docu template or somehow mark it as obsolete
 * 11) some bot tasks on wikification: for example putting each docinfo parameter on a separate line and moving all docinfos to the end of the page (of course if we could handle the warningbox appearance on a top)
 * 12) IDEA: maybe we can integrate the docinfo statistics and docinfo itself deeper with the site engine? It seems like a very useful and encouraging instrument for translators.
 * 13) IDEA: it's also possible to notify the translators about the changes in English article more aggressively than the docinfo statistics do. --Yury Katkov 16:22, 5 October 2011 (CEST)


 * Heiya Yury, If I had anticipated this I would not have asked. ;)
 * re 1) You are right, but this is not so much of a problem since the system works.
 * re 2.1) editor is indeed already set automatically. It may be omitted though. However I would like to see if somebody edited translated pages. I do not expect to be the only one for German translations forever
 * re 2.2) Year, you are right in most cases. Still there is a problem with imported master documentation. I these cased I did wild guessing too. 8~| However, I believe we should attribute the authors semantically too. This is a little bonus and sign of appreciation.
 * sure thing, we should represent the information about the original author semantically and we'll certainly use it in a future. The question is: is it inevitable to full the author field explicitly? If we can do that automatically I need to find this way --Yury Katkov 00:52, 7 October 2011 (CEST)
 * I am the last one to object doing this automatically. If there is an easy way, go for it. On the other hand, we have only about 100 docu pages, so we are not to much enslaved by the system once we have done it. --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 17:04, 8 October 2011 (CEST)
 * re 2.3) Yes, the priority should be the same for translations as for the master page. Hopefully I did not make mistakes regarding this.
 * Again! If the priority is always the same for master and slave page, we need to find the way how NOT to fill the priority field in a slave pages explicitly! --Yury Katkov 00:52, 7 October 2011 (CEST)
 * Yeah. see 2.3. --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 17:04, 8 October 2011 (CEST)
 * re 3) True again, I think at the time this templates were created Dick had something else in mind. I confess that I have manhandled this a bit. I will add more documentation.
 * re 4) This should indeed be fixed. Hopefully this did not happen to often.
 * re 5) This should be ok by now and should not happen again in the future. I think this was a special case. I will have a look at it again to make sure.
 * re 6) A lot of this was done by Dick at the beginning. However this should be on our list too.
 * re 7) I will mark it as obsolete. For historical reasons I would not like to delete it.
 * re 8) I have already commented on this. I think if we progress in translating, this should vanish too. At the moment I am not so much thinking about the superseded and obsolete documentation. That is something then we have to much time.
 * re 9) More voodoo? Are you sure? Do you have something specific in mind? The thing that just comes to my mind is a kind of Language portal where translations of a certain language gather and there docinfo overview is placed instead of user subpages like it is now. Before I forget: Yes, it is useful and encouraging!
 * For the beginning it can be just a tab in User namespace near the Edit and History tabs that shows the translation statistics for the given user. I know how to do such simple extensions. --Yury Katkov 00:53, 7 October 2011 (CEST)
 * That sounds cool. I cannot wait to see this working. I am sure Markus will have it installed on this wiki. --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 17:04, 8 October 2011 (CEST)
 * re 10) Perhaps we could integrate Semantic Tasks into this. However I do not think that it is the best idea. I may put to much pressure on occasional translators and scare them away. Hmmm...
 * Right, it's inadmissible to be too bold and scare people with pop-up windows or bot messages in their Talk pages. But we can be just a little bit more bold than now - for example (just example) we can show a little message You have news about translations (like a message You have new messages in MW now) which will link to the pages where I'm a supporter and whose master pages were updated since my last visit. --Yury Katkov 00:52, 7 October 2011 (CEST)
 * You would need an extension for this too. would't you? Sounds interesting. :) --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 17:04, 8 October 2011 (CEST)
 * Please give me some time to work on this list. I appreciate very much that you want to make a difference and thank you for all this thoughts and ideas. That's awesome as Jeroen would say. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 01:34, 6 October 2011 (CEST)

How Do I get started manual
Reading comments here and on MW, it seems we have a lot of documentation available but for someone who is starting a journey with SMW it is overlay complicated and technical to get around it. Their should be an easy to follow How Do I get started (How Do I get started - project page) guide with plenty of visual aids, so people don't feel lost with the amount of information provided and you always can hint to the more technical manuals within this wiki.

Not that you should write it but as a senior guardian of this wiki you might take the lead in facilitating the idea, collect a table of contents, post a request for people to participate on the mailing list, so they can add their thoughts on the talk page.

For example, I found Help:Introduction to Semantic MediaWiki of less help for people who just starting as they won't find the answers their looking for. Watching the discussion on the mailing list and around SMW, I could see the first general hurdle for someone starting with SMW is the expression jungle of unfamiliar terms which needs some priority to deal with otherwise people will loose interest and sail way out of frustration. Stephan's Semantic Glossary might be of help (need to be activated on this wiki first) to give a visual tooltip aid that can explain terms while still on the page.

Other visual aids such as screen shots (hould use vector skin to avoid confusion), a powerpoint(ppt, odp) presentation (so requests like that from Wikimedia Hungary can be served swiftly) should accompanied this page.

How Do I get started should be a greeting card on how easily one can get familiar with Semantic Mediawiki.


 * Heiya MWJames, it is a good idea to have a low-threshold introduction as an guide to SMW. We should go for it. I will send out an e-mail seeking for the communities support on this. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 15:40, 17 November 2011 (CET) NS I already added another TOC point which is very neglected and should be there too.
 * Guys, I think that's really great idea! I'm making screenshots myself for Russian translation of guide and for Wikipedia page about SMW and I think it's vitally important to have such How Do I manual. I'll try to do my best to help you! Also I added two more things to TOC. Yury Katkov 01:47, 5 January 2012 (CET)

Some TOC points:

What Do I need
...

How Do I install Semantic Mediawiki
The first thing is to successfully activated the Semantic Mediawiki extension on your wiki. Help:Installation will explain detail steps how to successfully integrate SMW in your wiki ...

How Do I create a simple annotation
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How Do I browse semantic content
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 * Special:Browse
 * Factbox

Search and redirect of configuration parameters
In order to increase search relevancy, do we think it would help that for all the SMW, SRF related configuration parameters such as ( smwgPageSpecialProperties ) to create a redirect so that when one searches with the parameter one is redirected towards the right location or one is redirected to a aggregated list (short description, link to the original) with all configuration parameters available (I would prefer a list so we know all parameters are accounted for and next time a new one is introduced it gets added to the list). Either way searching for a specific parameter would lead to a more appropriate location of inquiry. --MWJames 09:38, 10 December 2011 (CET)


 * I guess right now it would only be useful to have a redirect to the respective configuration parameter on Help:Configuration on this wiki. I think Help:Configuration is a better solution than this one. The solution on mediawiki.org is only useful to some extent since they have a separate manual page for every configuration parameter. However we could do that here too and query for the parameters to show up in a table like we do it for Help:Result formats and thus supersede Help:Configuration as it is now. This would be more semantic, too. I believe this is something for the mailing list. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 20:39, 11 December 2011 (CET)

examples on smw.org
Hi! Can you check out my proposed appearance for examples? I think that emphasize the examples like that would be a good idea for documentation's readality and you? Here is the demo User:Ganqqwerty/test page for newtocru -- Yury Katkov 22:44, 8 January 2012 (CET)


 * Heiya Yury, that looks great. Basically we should go for that. The header is a bit too dominant and should be decreased in size (icon and description). Additionally we need a smaller maximum width to cater for our tocs an boxes on the right side of the pages and one of the breaks at the bottom is avoidable. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 11:26, 9 January 2012 (CET)


 * I've just tried to make template more beautiful but I'm awful colorist. What do you think now? Yury Katkov 01:16, 10 January 2012 (CET)


 * My suggestion was not about colours. :) The heading is much better now. I guess that's it! What about fluid width or making this more narrow? Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 01:22, 10 January 2012 (CET)


 * What about now? The width is good for my laptop but the TOC still overlaps in on 1024x768 and lower diagonal monitors. -- Yury Katkov 02:10, 10 January 2012 (CET)


 * I changed it to max- and min-width and %. What is you laptop doing? I also removed the breaks at the bottom. Looks cool for me. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 10:51, 10 January 2012 (CET)
 * Nice! I'll start to use it on Russian pages first. -- Yury Katkov 15:10, 10 January 2012 (CET)

Charts template
Hi Karsten, I tweaked the Template:Results format with categories are now language dependant auto-linked to all members of the same category therefore I could see that the Template:Chart formats has become redundant. --MWJames 05:12, 20 July 2012 (CEST)
 * Oops, obviously I did not see this post. Yeah, this template my go and with it the template for geos, math etc. I will just have to remove the transclusions. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 16:12, 27 July 2012 (CEST)

Double entries
Just to avoid double entries, please have a look at Help:Transitive relationships, Help:Inverse relationships, and Demo:Germany. --MWJames 10:47, 27 July 2012 (CEST)
 * This wiki is full of cross references so moving content to separate pages is unfortunately only half of the way one has to go in such cases. This is the reason why I had to reinsert the information to the demo page. I will have to look into this. Cheers --&#91;&#91;kgh&#93;&#93; 16:09, 27 July 2012 (CEST)